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#貼布有黑點??
這是史坦利傳來的圖片，也許你能談一下，我收到兩箱，人們寄來的，他們使用的CO2甘斯貼布，貼布表面會有黑點。他們想知道，是甚麼造成這種變色的現象？03:05:00
凱史：是在貼布本身，還是外包裝的袋子上？
里克：我們之前看過這現象，我相信，是在裡面貼布本身
凱史：裡面…..耶，你需要做的，只是加幾滴氧化銅在上面，我們看過這些黑點，是…是一些細菌，或病菌，從能量上消耗來的，它們孳生，它們耗盡 有….哦…..一個科學家給我看，有這種黑點時。所有你需要的，只是加在……你做貼布之前 1公升的CO2、CH3甘斯(水)，對一滴，或兩滴的氧化銅甘斯(水)，氧化銅能量很不一樣，不讓…有生命等級的東西存在，住在裏頭。
里克：OK，也可能是貼布，從身體拉出了毒物、毒素？
凱史：對，很可能，很可能。我想CO2甘斯貼布，或許也以類似方式在作用，藉由拉出場域，拉出感染物，或疼痛
里克：另外一張圖片，講到更多。另外，法蘭絲瓦提到，他有幾個貼布， 有黑色斑點在上頭，也給我們看了
思維斯特：哈囉，里克，非常謝謝你。我們傳給你的圖片，我們現在可以播放出來，是來自匈牙利…的薩伯先生。他製作了這些CO2甘斯貼布的圖片，他自己使用，他的太太也使用。有趣的是來自同樣的CO2甘斯源頭，也就是同一批CO2甘斯的生產，他太太使用的甘斯貼布，沒有黑色斑點他的有，而且是，兩邊都有黑色斑點。
有趣的是1年半前，他被診斷出有『黴菌過敏症』。所以，他的問題是，也許跟過敏有關？
凱史：如果..貼布持續有這種…黑色斑點狀況，我們得找出這斑點是甚麼？是否會轉移，或把這放在….人類的癌症是如何產生的？就像這貼布，我們要把體內的東西吸附到貼布上來
思維斯特：我想你提到的第二件事情，也正是這些人感受到的。確實影片中，這位先生顯示在他身上，有一堆黴菌，他是個體型過重的人，可能….也有些健康問題。但他使用貼布在左邊的蛀牙，確實能馬上緩解，也用來…治療他的肩膀痛03:14:00肩膀痛，也跟著消失。
但令人驚訝的是，他發現他發現這些黑色斑點，我能要求這位先生送這些有問題的貼布給凱史先生看，他們沒有辦法做更一步的分析。
凱史：哦，…我們會讓你知道，因為我們不太想公開我們實驗的地點，因為網路
思維斯特：也是
凱史：可以做，我們能做側試。目前實驗室工作量很大，還做一些政府，與學術機構，贊助的工作，但為何不？你還有更多東西，要分享嗎？
里克：另外是聊天室，珍的回應，可能有興趣，用UV探照燈可看出更多03:15:00 哦…..UV探照光，紫外線，可以看到…這些黑色斑點。哦，就是在貼布上面的，可以照出黴菌，在一個人身上的菌落，在UV燈的探照下，可以看出是否為同一種菌種
阿曼：里克…
凱史：很有趣，很有趣
阿曼：凱史先生，有時，哦…
凱史：你要介紹你自己，我們不認識你….
阿曼：OK，我叫阿曼
凱史：來自加州，是的，阿曼，他叫阿曼大師，他是凱史基金會的大師。
阿曼：如果你密封好，不會發生這樣的情況；如果你真空密封好，絕不會產生黑色斑點的事。我有幾個貼布，有時會讓它們打開，空氣跑進去，就會看到黑色斑點03:16:00如果你看
凱史：那黑點，又是怎麼一回事呢？
阿曼：哈？
凱史：然後，黑點，又是怎麼一回事呢？
阿曼：它像是一種『菌』
凱史：你知道的，阿曼，不是每個人都…我們得找出
阿曼：不，我知道，我看過這種事會發生，當貼布沒有密封好，如果它們真空密封，不會這樣。
凱史：沒關係，雷南線上加入了，他們在菲律賓一做就是6000分，一直努力分發給人群。你在菲律賓有注意到(黑點)這樣的事嗎？
雷南：我們這裡做的貼布，100份大概只有一份會有黑點，因為放久了。目前只有一個發生漏水現象。我看過大部分的貼布會有水跑出來，有些開口是開的......貼布可能有些污染。
此外，我身邊會放一些貼布自己重複使用，放在我的包包裡。一直跟著我。有時會重複使用，已經有些黑點。我不知道那是什麼。我可以拿到顯微鏡下檢查。但有個試管，也許那裡有些培養。是組織的一部分。所以最好密封好。因為一旦用其他貼布，都是完好密封。長時間都不會乾掉變硬，也沒有污染。
我想用紙巾沾濕二氧化碳甘斯水會增長某些東西，因為裡頭有能量，所以需要完全密封好。處理貼布要謹慎處理。這是我們這裡的觀察。我們也注意到就算密封好好地有時也會乾掉，當直接暴露在陽光下。塑膠(袋)貼布會有氣跑進去，以液態甘斯水比較有效轉變成蒸氣。
貼布對疼痛有舒緩作用。我們是以密封的塑膠貼布發現到的。它們會蒸發。我們也重複使用這些塑膠外用袋。如果外漏，就重新包裝並以二氧化碳甘斯水重新濕潤，就可以重新使用。當手邊沒那麼多塑膠外用袋可以用時。所以…
凱史：嗯......雷南，你在菲律賓成千份地發這東西。
雷南：是的，我們分發了......每次我們在貧民窟發起活動時都會分發。我們分發，有些人也知道怎麼做。現在在不同地區，我們也做貼布給當地的鄰居。我們在做一份市調，對象是貧民窟沒有永久屋的人。我們教他們做健康筆與貼布，讓他們能夠從藥物中解脫出來，醫生開藥會有的問題。
Black spots on the pain pad (or patches)
Keshe: What is this bag? Is this bag we receive?
Rick: well, it’s CO2 that you’re just speaking of a…This is a picture from Stanley . Maybe you can speak about interesting CO2 pads. I show something to Mr Keshe about interested Co2 pads.
I received two cases for people who are using the CO2 pads and they see black dots on the surface of the pads, they would like to know what causes this discoloration.
Keshe: is it on the tissues? Or on the outside?
Rick: we’ve seen this before, I believe It is inside on the tissue.
Keshe: yeah…all you need to do is just add a few drops of copper oxide in,…We have seen these black spots, there are…these are bacteria or viruses that are depleted from the energy. They’ve grown, they’ve depleted (03:06:00)
And a scientist showed me. All you need to do is just add before you make tissues, just add a litre of gans of CO2, CH3, and one drop, or two drops of gans of copper oxide, copper oxide energy is different, so that doesn’t allow life level to exist and live inside it.
Rick: ok, it’s also possible that’s the pads are pulling poisons, toxins out of their bodies?
Keshe: Yes, that is quite possible. quite possible. Uh…We’ve got to learn we’ve got to analyze, as I’ve sad to the gardener scientists last week, can you analyze the leftover that we know what it is. Is it bacteria or is it the energy package? That’s got itself You see the homogenous inside (03:07:00)
They are, then, they have a pattern to them. We’ve got to find out what their pattern is Black spots on the pads, why? So we need to understand more this. How and where we transfer it and That we can share knowledge with all of us. So that we can be better, It’s so amazing
Rick: That’s mentioned the other picture, more to say about that is (03:12:00) Also François mentioned that he has few patches with these spots on them.to show us as well Sylvester
(S): Hello, Rick, thank you so much. The pictures we sent to you we can show right now. It’s sent from Mr. Sobel from Hungary and he made these pictures. Of CO2 patches. He used the same type of CO2 patches on himself and his wife And what is very interesting that it comes from the same CO2 source, the same production of CO2. His wife’s CO2 patches don’t have dots on it. But his CO2 patches showed in both sides.
And what is interesting is 1 and 1/2 years ago, He was diagnosed with mold allergy So his question was, maybe, it’s something to do with allergy, he showed a video and his patch only had dots on one side, and there is also another came from that 03:13:00 He showed the video with the same phenomena. His patches is only one-side. And I really appreciate Mr. Keshe will explain with the Copper Oxide, that would be very helpful. I will transfer the copper oxide information to him.
Keshe: If the patches still persist in this with the dots, we have to find out what they are, are they transfer…or put this in how are we creating cancer like on the patches that we’re taking out of the body into the patch
S: I think the second thing you said was the feeling of these people. Actually the gentleman is showing right now on the video had a great number of moles on his body. He is an oversize person, hopefully has some health issues. But he used the patches on his left cavity pain and it was relieved immediately. He also used them to cured himself for the shoulder pain. (03:14:06) Shoulder pain also disappeared
But surprisingly he finds the But he found these dots. I could request this gentleman to send these sheets to Mr. Keshe for testing, they cannot do further analysis on it
Keshe: uh….We will let you know; Because we prefer not to go public with our testing location because of the internet and the swamp around it.
S: exactly K: it can be done, we can test it. It’s a lot of work to be financed by governments and the institute? Why not? Do you have anything more to share?
Rick: it’s Jane is in the chat, might be interested in more can be seen by UV Light, the ultra-violet light, would be glad to see the black spots, Uh…what’s on the patches, reflect the map of the moles on the person under a UV lamp to see if it is a similar pattern. Uh….under the UV lamp. See whether It’s similar to pattern
Arman's simple comments
Arman: Mr. Keshe…sometimes, uh,
Keshe: you might introduce yourself, we might not
Arman: OK, my name is Arman,
Keshe: from….California, Yes, Mr. Arman. Let’s us call him Master Arman, He is the master of Keshe Foundation
Arman: if you sealed it properly, it would never happen. If you vacuum seal it, it never goes black, I have a few patches and I left them open sometimes, and the air going in. And you can see the black spot. If you see
Keshe: What happened with the black spots?
Arman: ah?
Keshe: and then, what happened with the black spots? Arman: It is like a fungus.
Keshe: you know, Arman, not everyone got, We’ve got to find out
Arman: no, I see. I see this happening, when the patches are not sealed properly. If they are vacuum packed, they will never go black.
Keshe: it’s Ok, uh…We have …Renan on the line and they have 6000 of these in Phillippines and they have been distributing them.
Have you noticed anything like this in the Philippines? It’s generalized
Renan in Philippines to share his experience
Renan: What we have been producing here, I only found the black spots on patches that are being kept for a long time. So these black spots were 100 patches I can only seen only one. Current is one. So It is correct and I think it is a leakage.
Most of the patches I’ve seen, there are the moist coming out and some are open so …there is possibly contamination from the patches.
Also I have kept some patches that I reuse every time and I keep them in my bag and I personally use. And it’s with me always. Sometimes when I reuse it, there are already some black spots as well. It could be a growth and I don’t know what the growth is yet.
I can check it in the microscope. But there is a ….test tube so maybe there is a growth there. Maybe it’s part of the tissue, maybe it’s a uh…growth when you use the patch. So It is better to re-seal it. Because once use the other patch, they are well sealed. They don’t get dried in a long time with harder and more durable containers and you find it no contaminations I think the CO2 with the tissue paper inside creates a good environment to grow certain elements because it is energy.
So, you need to seal these properly. And handle them carefully in handling these patches. That’s our observation here. But when it dries up. Also we observe that even though it is sealed sometimes it dries up when it is exposed directly to the sun. and The plastic patches bloat with gas sometimes and is effective in the way that the liquid gans, liquid, liquid plasma has transformed to vapor.
It also has a soothing effect on pain as well. So..this has been discovered with the sealed plastic patches. They evaporated. So that’s one thing. We also try reusing the packages. We reuse them. If they have leakages, we just repackage and wet them again with CO2 liquid gans, liquid plasma and they can be reused again for yourself if you want to recycle. You can do this, when you don’t have many these patches available. So that’s what we’re using for the patches just as well. So…
Keshe: um……….Renan, you’ve distributed something thousands of these in the Philippines.
Renan: yes, we’ve distributed…..when we have distributed every time we have the outreach activities in the slum areas. We give them there as well as …and they already know how to make them.
Right now in different areas in our place, we’re already producing these patches to give to their neighbors. We are working in the community surveys for those who are living in the slums (03:46:00), they have no permanent homes. We teach them to do pens and patches and now they are able to liberate themselves from all the medicine, the problems with the medicines doctors, they are having problems from doctors end
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