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把植物花果放到苛鹼液裡全死光光???

做出來的甘斯甚至有危險???

一次有趣的群組討論

原來…………………………

原貼文者 Tom Salas

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我正和Victor Rob討論到以下問題;

晚安，我警告所有曾經做過，正在做或正計劃要做，以蔬菜，水果，草藥，鮮花或其他，不要以蘇打(苛鹼?)做成甘斯。

有些人仍認為植物，蔬果應該用苛鹼奈米化。這完全錯誤。

不要玩弄自己或他人的健康。

這有很大的擔憂。如果你把植物蔬果浸泡在苛鹼液當中，它們當場死亡，酵素與能量矩陣是零，從這個過程做成的等離子體水是有毒的。甘斯仍保有苛鹼的能量矩陣，無論你洗多少次，酸鹼值能高達8.5-9。

我堅持不要這樣玩弄你的健康。謝謝

我不同意，也覺得這應該與其他等離子體專家討論過。請分享你想法。

#留言板:

#貼文者Tom：Victor認為如果我們在實驗室做測試，在苛鹼液的過程之後，我們會看到東西是死的，沒有任何品質讓我們可做成甘斯。我認為實驗室測試只會顯示物質狀態的結果（當然不會顯示任何等離子體的變化）。我想知道其他人的想法？

#Mark：物質暴露在苛鹼中會轉成高鹼性的物質。當與甘斯結合時，甘斯會恢復其矩陣到所用的甘斯的等離子體場強。#metalloproteins

苛鹼會讓蛋白質變質嗎？

這個問題可解決，先用酸處理使蛋白質變質與沉澱。蛋白質在強酸或強鹼的沸水中會水解。在常溫也可以酵素水解。

蛋白質的變質 - 氨基酸定義

簡單說，無論是強酸或強鹼像NaOH都可用來解構植物，水果，堅果等物質狀態，正如凱史基金會和生化學領域所說的水解，以獲取活的氨基酸與蛋白質鏈。換句話說，酸和鹼都不會破壞必需氨基酸與蛋白質。

#TonyArena：我第一個想法是絕對不會吃它，但類似魔杖的主意，我會先對它進行某種測試，看它與一搬甘斯的差別。

#Philip: 如果我們了解能量如何在胃中被吸收，第一步是酸性階段，離心極化，根據酸的強度盡可能分解成更小的粒子，第二步鹼性階段，向心極化，其中確實產生甘斯，能在需要之時需要之處被吸收，其他就透過尿液排出去

我不認為這個宇宙任何東西是“死”的。全靠我們設定條件去達到我們要的。

經過氫氧化鈉處理，做成甘斯再清洗，最壞可能發生的事是沒事。(根據我的經驗)

#Tom貼文者：我也是這樣覺得

#Kubarlow：能量矩陣 - 正如其名 – 超越物質狀態的能量矩陣，苛鹼只是把物質狀態的表層去除，因為苛鹼也是一種物質狀態在這個層級起作用，簡單也合乎邏輯

#Nikolai：我不認為苛鹼奈米化有何問題。首先凱史先生實際上不推薦火烤奈子，而且說了幾次。目前為止，凱史科技85％都是為了所有生物的健康與福祉。來自一個寧願吃一塊肉也不吃一千粒米飯的人說的，因為每一個在他眼裡都是靈魂。

我的理解是苛鹼產生更多引力，火烤塗層產生更多磁力。因為兩種方式產生的空間間隔不同。

我不太接受這個辯論當中的恐懼面，儘管我同意可以質疑很多事，特別是語言差異或翻譯造成的落差與誤解。苛鹼板塊不會釋出苛鹼到甘斯，除非是板子都沒有清洗。別忘了甘斯做成的過程要洗好幾次(多達6次，9次，18次）。苛鹼會散落到水溶液中提高酸鹼值，而非把它們自身附著到甘斯上（請記得甘斯是氣體在奈米固體的狀態）

#Carolyn ：我也不認為這是個問題。我不同意甘斯會被苛鹼印記。甘斯在它的特性上有其特別之處。

#Toomy：我不用苛鹼做甘斯，我不喜歡腐蝕性化學物。

#Neil：作為一名以等離子體做研究的前生物學家，我可以了解凱史如何模仿自然界的現象做出甘斯。（比方二氧化碳甘斯捕捉盒就是一片葉子）

所以做出食物甘斯，對我來說，很合理，遵循身體內實際在發生的事。食物在口腔嚼碎，在胃酸裡消化，以碳酸氫鈉中和，做成鹽化物。然後氫氧化鈉讓食物鹼化在腸道產生甘斯。(當加了清洗過後的二氧化碳等離子體水)

使用苛鹼的方法雖然耗時，但會產生美妙的草藥，食物或其他物質的甘斯，在等離子體場域有很好的能量印記。

#Victor: 先生們，如果你把植物，葉子，花，蔬菜放到苛鹼裡，奈米化它們。 它們3分鐘內就死亡。所有酵素與能量矩陣在物質狀態就死亡。把這些植物蔬果帶到奈米狀態有何用處，如果它們在物質狀態就死亡？

#Jean Jac：你一把蔬果從植物切開它就死了？!!! 所以你放不放苛鹼它會怎樣改變？別忘了(甘斯)經過多次清洗。

#Balis：如果我要一塊牛排，我把牛排的場域轉移到CO2或CH3的反應器？ 如果我把一塊牛排奈米化，另一塊牛排放到鹽水，我會得到牛排或整隻牛的甘斯？

#Tom原貼文者：謝謝所有人的意見。我的了解是我們把物質轉到奈米到等離子體。把草藥或食物或任何物質放到苛鹼液才能進到第二階段（奈米）。

然後加一些量的奈米溶液到甘斯反應器，會促成最後轉化成等離子體的階段。（如上所述）我們在複製人體自然的過程。

Victor 說，放進苛鹼液會降低物質到無生命的糊狀物，這種狀況沒有任何有益的東西出來，實驗室測試將進一步證明，更重要的是整個過程很危險，從這當中所做出的甘斯也是有毒的。(這部分可以在實驗室做測試）。

Victor你這個說法嚇壞很多人，我想在它成為事實之前，應該明智地被討論（就像我們現在在做的）。我感覺底線是這樣的：測試一個充分【清洗好的食物液態等離子體】應該可以顯示它是否有毒。有沒有人可以做這個測試呢？謝謝

#James：使用食品級蘇打或草木灰（鉀肥）。就是大自然在做的，例如。閃電打到造成森林火災的生物灰炭。你不需要甘斯，你就是甘斯。甘斯只是學習工具，一個仲介質

試著在等離子體水加一點鎂鹽(應該在生成過程加?。

#Barbu: Victor Rob不是凱史基金會羅馬尼亞的人，此人濫用等離子體科技還賣出非法的醫療品！警告所有人也為此道歉。我們不鼓勵愚蠢，區分出來，回到教學。

#貼文者Tom: 被困在物質的思維，又想了解等離子體科技永遠會導致混亂。

https://www.facebook.com/groups/GoldenAgeofGans/permalink/2253694178262555/

I``m having a discussion with Victor Rob about the following;

Good evening, I warn everyone who has done, is doing, or is planning to do GaNS for health with vegetables, fruits, herbs, flowers, or others not to use soda.

Some people still had the idea that plants, vegetables, fruits should be nano-quoted in soda. It's totally wrong.

Do not play with your own or others' health.

You have great worries. If you make the mistake of covering nano, vegetables, fruits, etc. in the caustic soda bath, they will die instantly, by default, enzymes and energy matrix will be 0 ,, will be canceled, plus the plasma water resulting from this process will be toxic. In GaNS the energy matrix of the soda will remain, no matter how much you wash it, to reach a pH of 8.5 - 9.

I insist, do not play with your health and / or your health. Thank you

I dont agree, and feel that this should be discussed here with other plasmacists. Please feel free to add you opinion. Cheers

https://www.facebook.com/groups/GoldenAgeofGans/permalink/2253694178262555/

people's comments:

Tom: Victor feels that if we lab test the materials after being in a caustic solution, that we will see that the matter is dead and will have no qualities that we can then create Gans with. I feel that a lab test will only show matter state results (which of course will not show any plasmatic changes). I would like to know what does everyone else here think?

Mark: matter - when exposed to caustic soda is converted to a highly alkaline sustance. And when combined with GaNS the GaNS restores it's matrixes to plasmatic field strength of the GaNS used. #metalloproteins
 

Does NaOH denature protein?
This problem is resolved by first treating the serum with an acid to denature and precipitate the protein. ... Proteins can be hydrolyzed by boiling in a solution containing a strong acid such as HCl or a strong base such as NaOH. At ordinary temperatures, proteins can be hydrolyzed with the use of enzymes.

https://aminodotnet.weebly.com › d...

Denaturation of Proteins - Amino acid definition

well, to put it simply either HCL acid or an alkaline such as NaOH can be used to break down the matter state of plants, fruit, nuts, etc., as taught by both the Kf and biochemistry called hydrolyzed to obtain live Amino acids and protein chains. So in other words neither acid nor alkaline destroy the essential Amino acids and proteins.

Tony Arena: I definitely would not eat it is my first thought, but for like wands and stuff it might be a good idea although I would run some kind of tests on it first to see how it compares with a more traditional gans recepie.

Philip; If we look at how energy is absorbed in the stomach, first step - acid stage, centrifugal polarisation, breaks down to the smallest size possible based on the strenght of the acid, then comes second step - alcaline stage, centripetal polarisation, where gans is actualy created, being absorbed if needed, where needed, when needed, the rest gets rejected thru urine etc.

I dont realy see any matter in this universe as "dead". It all depends on what we want to achieve in manipulating the conditions.

With NaOH treated and rinsed gans the good thing is, when using gans, the worst thing that can happen is - nothing. (from my experience) With acid treated gans, not so much, be careful

Tom: Thats the way i see it also

Kubarlow: the energy matrix - as the name implies - is an energy matrix superior to the state of matter, caustic soda only "removes clothing" of the state of matter, because caustic soda is also a state of matter and acts at this level, simple and logical

Nikolai: I dont see an issue with the caustic nanocoated plates. For one, MTK actually doesn't recommend the fire coating and says so several times. 85% of the Keshe technology thus far is for the health and wellness of ALL beings. This coming from a man who says he would rather eat a piece of meat than 1000 grains of rice, for each in his eyes os a soul. In my understanding the caustic creates a more gravitational gans and the firecoating more magnetical. This is due to the size of the spacegap created in each of the processes. I would not buy into the fear aspect of this debate although I do see it as valid to question many things, especially if there are language confusions amd or mistranslation into various languages. The caustic coated plate is not releasing caustic into the gans unless the plate hasnt been washed. Dont forget the gans created also undergoes several (up to 6, 9,18) washes. Being that the NaOH would far prefer to disperse into an aquaeous solution and raise the water's pH than attach themselves to the GaNS (please remember what the GAS in Nanosolid State really is...)

Carolyn: I am not seeing it as a problem either. I don't get that the GANS gets imprinted with caustic. Gans seems to be special that way in what it does.

Toomy: I do not use caustic soda for Gans, i do not like corrosive chemicals.

Neil: As an ex biologist working with plasma I can see how Mr Keshe emulates the natural world in gans production etc. (CO2 kit is a leaf) So to make a food gans it seems logical to me to follow what actually happens in the body, food is mechanically broken up in the mouth, then digested in HCL in the stomach, then neutralized the acid with Sodium Bicarbonate which makes the salt then NaOH (the bile salts) to alkalize the food and produce the Gans in the intestines. (When you add the CO2 plasma water after washing). Using this caustic method although time consuming, produces wonderful gans of herbs, foods or whatever, which have good energy signatures in the plasma fields.

Victor : Domnilor dacă bagi plante, frunze, flori, legume în soda sa le aduci la starea nano. aceste în 3 minute vor murii. implicit vor murii toate enzimele și matricea energetica, la starea materiala. La ce mai folosește sa aduci acea planta la starea nano dacă planta este moarta la starea materiala ?

Gentlemen, if you put plants, leaves, flowers, vegetables in soda, bring them to the nano state. these in 3 minutes will die. by default all enzymes and energy matrix will die, in the material state. What use is it to bring that plant to the nano state if the plant is dead to the material state?

Jean Jac: As soon as you cut a Plante to eat it. It's dead?!!! So even you put or not naoh what it change? But don't forget to wash many time the mixture.

Balis: if I want a steak hook I transfer the steak field over the co2 or ch3 reactor? If I nano-coat a piece of steak with soda and I have another piece of steak put in salted water, do I get gans a steak or whole and living beef? :)))

Tom: Thank you for all the input. It is my understanding that we convert matter to nano to plasma. Putting the herb or food or whatever matter in a caustic solution takes us to the second stage (nano).

Then adding an amount of this nano liquid to a Gans reactor will make the conversion to the final stage which is plasma. (As stated above) we are replicating a natural occurrence in the human body.

Victor is saying that e reduce the matter to a lifeless paste when we put it into a caustic solution, and that nothing beneficial can come of this once it is in this condition, and a laboratory test will prove as much, but more importantly that this whole process is dangerous and that the water that is then produced from the gans will be toxic. (This part we should be able to test in a laboratory).

Victor, you have scared the crap out of a few people by making this statement, and i think that before putting this out there as fact, it should be intelligently discussed (as we are doing here). I feel that the bottom line is this; Testing a well washed liquid plasma of food should indicate if it is toxic or not. Does anyone have the wherewithal to do such a test? Thanks

James: Use food grade soda or use wood ash(potash). thats how nature does it,eg.BIO-Char from forest fires caused by lightening strikes.You don't need gans,you are a gans.Gans is just a learning tool and a middle man.

try adding some magnesium sulfate(mgso4 (epsom salts) to your plasma water.

Barbu: Victor Rob is not part of Romanian Medical KF SSI Program, this person abuses the plasma technology and sells illegaly medical applications !!! I warned you & we apologize for this <3 we do not encourage stupidity, make the difference and go back to teaching.